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Post by Hornets on Apr 21, 2008 1:07:34 GMT -5
HAHAHAHA GOTCHA !!! But while the LeBron deal at least made a little sense that some value changes teams both ways, this would be the single most horrible deal of the league. Knicks get a superstar and give up two backups (where at least Josh might morph into a starter in a few seasons if everything works out in TCs) and a huge contract they want to get rid of for 2 weeks now, as well as a pick around 25 (=you pay 4 years of salary for a 2nd round talent) This is so bad, it's almost funny, and even Dan must realize this deal would have a 0% chance to go through. Voted LAKERS of course ...
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Post by Ex-Rockets on Apr 21, 2008 1:08:26 GMT -5
Who voted lakers? lol
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Post by Hornets on Apr 21, 2008 1:16:43 GMT -5
me. how does that NOT benefit him? I mean posting that deal makes him know all over the league in a heartbeat. He "shows" that he's not hesitant to pull the trigger on big deals (i know, i know, but at least we should assume). So he will get proposals left and right spamming his inbox. But of course he will now also be cheapshot with offers for weeks ... meaning he can really rip people for trying to fuck him. He made all our post counts go up with another comment thread full of head shaking. As I said, a GREAT thing for him. And low risk too. Imagine if it were Wally instead of Brand, at least some people might actually like that for him ... and if a few people don't pay attention suddenly the joke could backfire in a bad way. Won't happen with Elton ...
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Post by The Miami Heat on Apr 21, 2008 1:19:09 GMT -5
i like this for the Oceans but i'm really stoned...
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Post by Hornets on Apr 21, 2008 1:29:21 GMT -5
i like this for the Oceans but i'm really stoned... then VOTE accordingly. The poll looks horribly one-sided still ... ;D
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Post by JoeW on Apr 21, 2008 7:57:37 GMT -5
A couple of things - The one week rule is still in effect and I told the Lakers Gm that when he took over. He was supposed to run any deal by the commish for that week and he didn't do that. I need both Dan and the Lakers GM to talk to me about this deal.
I haven't looked at the specifics yet and will when I get some time today.
Second, the Deal wasn't posted correctly either which is something I'll talk to the Lakers GM about as well. A decision will be made before the sim obviously but I want Dan and Lakers to get a chance to defend their deal first and for me to look at it closer.
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Post by Hornets on Apr 21, 2008 8:07:55 GMT -5
UMM? no joke ? this is supposed to be a REAL deal ? well, then let's break down the "ingredients": I think this is a bda deal for the Lakers, taking them back 3 steps from a level they will never reach with the guys they traded for. Josh will morph into a starter in a few seasons if everything works out in TCs. The jury's out on him, right now he's a backup. Bobby can score a ton, but is a low assist, high turnover, little defense PG at age 30. Not someone to run your point (which he won't, there's no way he can/should replace Parker) Marion is one of the worse contracts in the league. He can play, maybe 3rd or non-option with decent defense, but max money for 15ppg and C potantial (he's had 4 TC's already!) with not even one B+ in his ratings ? Brand: will be the next A - A - A player, just one with B+ handling. 30ppg, 14rpg and 3.5bpg in two seasons. I truly believe that. Francis: Averaged 18ppg, 9apg, 3topg last season. He would get you Bobby's numbers when starting just with better passing, fewer turnovers and similar scoring. But he's just 26, so he can do if for 8 mor seasons. And the Knicks pick i mentioned: projected #26, so the right to pay nearly 2 mill per season to a 2nd round talent. What worries me is that's all happening not even 5 hours after a new GM got appointed and put up a block for a perennial title contender. well, the Commish's job won't be easy on this. But I have no idea why the Lakers did this (giving their best player Brand - sorry, IMO Wally is a scorer, little else - without getting any of the Knicks top players back.
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Post by Commish on Apr 21, 2008 9:09:02 GMT -5
I believe this is an absoultly terrible deal for the Lakers I can't believe they actually would even post this. As many have said it is a hard thing to find a good big man I would have given webber perhaps for Brand but we will wait and see what happens with this one.
But, really crappy deal for Lakers.
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Post by Spurs on Apr 21, 2008 10:45:20 GMT -5
Terrible deal for the Lakers, he gets a pick which lilkley won't be loto(now that Knicks has Brand and Yao) Shawn Marion who knicks has been trying to deal for ages and would've probably delt for a cookie and a decent young sg who will be no more then a backup for him.
How is this in the vacinity of what I offered lakers
"Richard Jefferson Juan Cronin Kings 04 First Hornets 05 first Rockets 05 First for Elton Brand Darius Miles " (and was promptly denied)
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Post by duncanonu on Apr 21, 2008 10:53:47 GMT -5
There is going to be some big problems if this goes through.
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Post by Hornets on Apr 21, 2008 10:57:13 GMT -5
the question is not if somebody else had a better offer (which everyone thinks he has, i'm pretty sure) but if the "new GM protection" rule should come into effect.
So simply put: did the new dawg something bad for the league, something very bad for his team, and did he destroy his creditability forever in the process.
On a positive: most guys are able to learn from their frist mistake, as the protecting hand won't be lifted too often ...
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Post by Magic on Apr 21, 2008 13:38:08 GMT -5
"I get youth, and don't lose a lot, and what is lost is made up for in the draft pick" reason for doing the deal.
You don't lose a lot? lol That draft pick won't be anything.
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Post by Hornets on Apr 21, 2008 13:52:56 GMT -5
btw, guys, if the deal goes through, I don't have a problem with that. If the commissioner acceps the reasoning i don't see why a deal should be upheld just for (heavily) favouring a team.
Many deals do.
And we don't have to like any deals (like we hardly ever do with Joe's deals). That's life guys, be there at the right time or miss out on the grand prize.
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Post by Raptors on Apr 21, 2008 13:59:02 GMT -5
Learning from the Jones deal improved my GMing skills to an extent. We all make mistakes on our path to excellence. You gotta learn how to do something, before you get good at it. Nobody when they started could make a team like Joe can, but from experience and knowing how shit works, it all comes together.
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Post by The Miami Heat on Apr 21, 2008 14:19:53 GMT -5
Learning from the Jones deal improved my GMing skills to an extent. We all make mistakes on our path to excellence. You gotta learn how to do something, before you get good at it. Nobody when they started could make a team like Joe can, but from experience and knowing how shit works, it all comes together. the Jones trade was completely different. this guy had been in the league for less than a day before he traded away one of the best big men in the league. you had been here a couple seasons already. and there is no way you can compare Jones to Brand. this isn't Dan's fault by any means. this is about someone coming into the league and trading one of the best players before they understand the value of players. the fact that Lakers says "i don't lose much and what i lose i make up for in the draft pick" suggests that he has no clue how good Brand is and how shitty draft picks really are in this league. players don't come into this leauge with B+ B+ B B+ B ratings. part of the problem might be that the NBA Marion and Howard are very publicized players, at least more so than Brand, because they've spend most of their careers on contending teams while Brand has been stuck on the Clippers and Bulls. so if Lakers didn't know that Brand is better than those two players in real life, okay. but all he had to do is look at Brand's ratings and his stats compared to other players in the league to realize that Brand is one of the best players in the LBA. i don't think this is highway robbery on Dan's part. but in no way is this a good deal on the Lakers part. Knicks win by a lot. of course everyone is just mad that Knicks got to pull of a deal like this first. should the one-week rule be put in effect: that's not up for me to decide. but its not as if Dan recruited this guy personally and then pulled off this trade.
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